messageThis “campaign” is disgusting. Killing a chicken is never okay, no matter how “nicely” they are treated beforehand.
If you really want to help animals go vegan entirely, and reflect this in your campaigns.
Empty cages, not bigger cages.
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Rosqro Steinbok replied on Nov 12, 2008I think that we should stop all animal abuse, but to try to get everyone to be vegan is a tough. I myself am a vegetarian and am considering very strongly dropping eggs, cheese, and milk, unless free-range or my own.
Also, I would like to bring up free-range meat. The animals are treated very kindly— it is especially good if they’re local! I once knew a free-range pig farm near by and want to get my own chickens as soon as I can. I think it is reasonable to say you eat meat and would like to help animals— If you swear to make an effort.
I think it is important that people make KFC work harder to be kinder—and this campaign is a good beginning!
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Daniel Molloy replied on Nov 13, 2008
The issue isn’t treatment, the issue is taking another sentient creature’s life just because you enjoy the taste of its flesh.
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Rosqro Steinbok replied on Nov 16, 2008
Daniel, I agree with you. But to make everyone a vegan is impossible. You could spend hours working on it and making perfect speeches and it just wouldn’t work. There are some things we can push for and get, but this isn’t one of them, which is why it’s important to work for less abuse at the same time as working to stop people from eating animals.
I think treatment is the biggest thing we have to work for is treatment.
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Emma Haines replied on Nov 17, 2008
I agree with Rosqro. I was a strict vegetarian for 12 years, but have been eating meat for the last 4 years, because I can now choose my own food and am very, very, strict about the produce I buy. When eating out, I usually choose a vegetarian option – unless the restaurant lists free-range options (in which case I’ll always support that).
It’s not about ‘taking another creatures life because we enjoy the taste of its flesh’, it’s the circle of life. We were born to eat meat (are you gonna try turn all lions/sharks/pumas/cats/dogs etc vegetarian)
IF you choose to eat meat/fish/dairy products – then spend a little more time and money making the right ethical choice!!
Leturing people into becoming vegan will never work, why not try to educate people on animal welfare and how they can make a difference
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Anonymous replied on Nov 18, 2008Well, I am not vegaterian, I like my meat but, I must admit that I do not eat KFC at all and I do not buy meat from teh stores. We raise our own meat (chickens and beef) My husband goes hunting for deer and fishing. We love our meat and at least we know how they are killed humainly. I feel that god did put them here to feed his people. I do agree with what people ar esaying though. The big commercial companies do not treat any animal humainly and should be made accountable for their actions. Years ago, people raised their own food, What happened to those days? If everyone would make the time to do this, It would save more crulity to animals.
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Rosqro Steinbok replied on Nov 20, 2008
Right. I don’t know about cattle, but I know chickens aren’t that hard to raise. You can do it in the city (I’ve heard rumors of people raising them in NYC!) and they’re not overly expensive, I don’t think.
And for God’s sake, if you don’t think you could slaughter your own chickens, meat is not something you should be eating. Don’t think you can make other people do your dirty work.
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AUDREY FODOR replied on Nov 25, 2008
I would eventually work to a more meatless society. In the interim, if there is one single thing I can change or add to change, I will always try. This is certainly a step in the right direction.
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Tbonez JT replied on Nov 26, 2008
Ok i have to put my 2 cents in on this subject … 1. everyone goin vegan is stupid if you’d actually done ur research you would know that humans are as animal as the next we do actually need protien from animals to survive and continue our existance..wat happens when everyone is vegan and retarded next you’ll try and stop lions from eating gazells get over yourself .. 2. i agree with the treatment of animals but unfortunately target something as simple as kfc is pointless unless in usa they breed their own chickens which i highly doubt here in australia they are bread in chicken farms and no company above or below is going to change how they run their individual buisnesses.. make them change there ways and no matter what u do they will go back to what they know best the very next day i worked on one for no more thatn a day it sickened me but thats life.. unless u find a way of putting more control and keeping an eye on theses company’s nothing will change .. KFC does nothing more than buy the chickens spice them up and sell them ur battle is piontless .. heres how it works here, chicken farms grow them smash them into crates send them to ingems, golden cockrel and many other comanys.. those company’s rip them out of crates kill and distribute to kfc, mcdonalds and anywhere that sells chicken … so all in all why dont u actually try to fight the sources and get over wasting ur time on big corporations that dont care they keep selling no matter how much we winge.. its the small battles in life u win that make the differents peace out!!
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Rosqro Steinbok replied on Nov 27, 2008
Tbonez, I think you make some interesting points, but about going vegan, I am not saying, “Totally stop eating meat!” but saying that if you can’t get it from animals that were raised by you or locally free-range, (or hunted, of course) then there is no reason you should eat meat. There is a ton of animal abuse in the meat industry that we need to stop as soon as possible.
Also, we want them to stop buying from the abusive corporations, and if we organize boycotts, we will get our voices heard. PETA has been working on stopping KFC in their own time, so this could easily be the last little push to get them to totally stop. Also, I personally have no clue who the bigger corporations are, so I couldn’t start a boycott. But it’s nice to know that you care about animals, too, so if you started your own boycott against the larger corporations, I’m sure we would all join!
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Tbonez JT replied on Nov 28, 2008
Good to hear rosqro, i totally agree im currently working towards growing all my food that includes meat as well, grown or hunted one or the other although the thought of killing another animal still gets to me, but thats just paranoia of doing something against the religious view of the so called god, im a higher force thats all kinda thinker.. i mean animals hunt thats just a fact of life. as for the corporations im trying to hit local chicken farms and and other meat industry’s where it hurts which is harder than u think due to the fact that really the most u can do legitimatly is report them and try and get the word out which in turn is quite useless as i stated in previous comment they can be investigated by the correct authorities but due to most company’s having insider knowledge to times and days of inspection or undercover inspections most the time they can just put on a nice clean show for them, not too mention even if they are fined or warned of being shutdown they just go back to same old the next day… i mean it doesnt stop me trying im not giving up anytime soon but it does make me wish to resort to more drastic messures and i guess your right getting the bigger company’s to start taking action against there suppliers would help the push …
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Anonymous replied on Dec 1, 2008
Tbonez,
you should do your research also..
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Anonymous replied on Dec 1, 2008
Tbonez,
you should do your research also..
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Anonymous replied on Dec 1, 2008
Tbonez,
you should do your research also..
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liz f. replied on Dec 2, 2008
a couple things:
1. tbonez, your ignorance is vast and virile. if it was the case that humans needed protein specifically from other animals, vegans and vegetarians would be dropping like flies, wouldn’t they? but they aren’t; in fact, they’re very often much healthier than omnivorous humans. they are far less likely to be obese or overweight, to suffer cardiovascular disease, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, certain types of cancer, and of course are impervious to mad cow disease, salmonella, and countless other animal-food-borne illnesses. they probably sleep a little easier knowing they aren’t perpetuating the environmental devastation caused by the ‘production’ of billions of cattle, pigs, and chickens each year. educate yourself, then reconsider who’s ‘stupid’ and who’s not.
2. that someone would be offended by kfc’s practices but elect not to boycott the business until a million other people visit some website is, let’s see…gutless, lazy; a reflection of that person’s complete lack of integrity, moral responsibility, ethics, initiative, and ability to think and act for himself. if you think kfc is doing something wrong and you want them to change, the first step is to stop enabling them with your own money. it’s great that you’re all upset about kfc’s abhorrent business practices, but until you stop patronizing kfc, you’re still part of the problem. ask yourself, is it that hard to forego fried chicken even after you’ve witnessed its nauseating production? and, what kind of person does your answer make you?
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Tbonez JT replied on Dec 4, 2008
Um yeah if u actually read my first statement u might be a bit more informed to what my point actually was 1. vegans iq’s are obviously not going up thats for sure vegans are actually the one sided debaters that dont take in others facts and views you think our right and everyone else is wrong all because you dont like hurting animals..i like eating meat but i’d rather grow or hunt it myself because i like what large company’s are doing … my point was that if you want to make someone like kfc change good luck its the suppliers that should be targeted and i actually try to make a stand against my local suppliers like Ingams and Golden Cockrel two of the larger company’s here so stick calling me gutless and lazy what have you done lately but criticize my views on the subject…. and by the way i have nothing to do with the whole 1 million stand bullshit i act but i act towards those responsable for the destruction were apparently fighting against !!!
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Tbonez JT replied on Dec 4, 2008
Ps .. to the anonymous thank u for that very well explained input it has open my eyes ..not.. u can tell me to do my reserch when u actually have something to say about it.. unlike u i actually take criticism very well im not one sided like most of these reply’s …
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Tbonez JT replied on Dec 4, 2008
By the way liz about the overweight, high blood pressure, disease, cancerous statement going vegean all good for that if your lazy but exercise is the most important factor to that argument and humans have something called an imune system which doesnt get much of a workout these days… one among many other examples is my favourite bruce lee who was in his prime rated as the healthiest person in the world so healthy that when a pissy little bit of pain killer was introduced he died hence why your immune system needs to get a work out once and a while.. i admire your passion but before u go criticizing me about my side of this argument maybe u should be a little less one sided about it …
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Rosqro Steinbok replied on Dec 5, 2008
Okay, I just have to put my 2 cent’s worth in—
It is actually true that it is much more healthy to be vegan/vegetarian, but only if you do it right and exercise like Tbonez said. I do not think that being a vegan/vegetarian to keep healthy is lazy though… I think that there are thousands of different reasons to be a vegan/vegetarian and health is a main thing. Especially with the obesity epidemic now, we need to consider the health in the vegan/vegetarian lifestyle closely.
Also, like anonymous said, we all do need to do our research and think about it!
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Tbonez JT replied on Dec 5, 2008
I know where your coming from rosqro i wasnt saying that vegans are lazy i was saying that if your a lazy person than a vegan diet is prob the way to go since they’re prob not going to get healthier any other way… the thing is though it seems to me that alot of vegans act like all we eat is meat which is getting kind of annoying i mean i eat a well stocked plate of veggies and salads with my well needed protein.. and i would much rather animal abuse stop for now since asking the world to go vegan isn’t going to work..that’s why Im getting fired up and research as everyone is so boldly claiming shows that a vegan diet is not substanial and i have done my research through a few different fields but all that aside I apolagize for my comments on vegans in previous statements it was a cheap shot to the person claiming that going vegan was the only way .. my battle is purely for the animal abuse in which all im trying to say is that targetting kfc is a waste of time its the suppliers that need to be hit hard ….
