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Janice Miles replied on Feb 18, 2008Saw Cnn News this morning and the boycott was on their program. Hope they keep it up.
Jan
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Josh Gammon replied on Feb 18, 2008
I for one would like to see the unionization idea explored before jumping off for parts unknown. ebay’s greed is obviously of the mindless corporate variety, exactly the type that responds to unrelenting pressure from a well organized and unified “worker” base. I would suspect that it would be far easier to get 10,000 sellers to agree to date specific boycotts, etc. than to get them to agree to move off of ebay completely. Tried and true old school union activities including date specific boycotts, general strikes if need be, blacklisting “line crossers” (both buyers & sellers) and a concerted organizational drive, I believe, would better serve our purpose. While I would love to see a viable player carve into ebays market domination, right now it just isn’t feasible for folks who depend upon online selling to make a living to go to wagglepop or it’s ilk. Without organized resistance coming from sellers ( and buyers), I’m afraid that the result will be some mild attrition, everybody else rolling over and eating it and ebay continually putting the squeeze on. Thanks.
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Sandra Kendall replied on Feb 19, 2008
I learned of SUBAT with a posting on Powerseller Unite that someone posted this afternoon.
Permission to copy/paste the: What can you do? and circulate as often as can?
Sandy
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Anonymous replied on Feb 19, 2008Hey Sandy! Absolutely…that was CC…she told me she could barely navigate that powersellersunite site so anybody who can re-post that thing around, YES, please do it!
We’ve got to post links EVERYWHERE, now, all week…especially now. My suspension from the boards was up today so I made several threads on ebay’s soapbox, they may have deleted them already, I don’t know. Word is that the media are watching the seller central boards now so I’m off there next, until they catch me again. Jul — join me. And Anna, if they get me again tonite, take the torch!
We’ve got to post again to Tim’s Boycott Ebay MySpace page too and everybody should get over to Laila’s MySpace page also, see the url in a post below (lots of graphics!) And the Delphi forums again…and the Wired blog. And CNN.
Onward, onward!!
Val
PS The damed reply button isn’t working on this comment page again, like the direct ‘reply’. Can somebody fix that?
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Audrey Giroux replied on Feb 19, 2008
I have been battered, beaten and bruised by ebay. I was silenced for a year and banned from any and all ebay discussion boards, for simply speaking my mind openly about ebay. I have been robbed and cheated by PayPal. Ebay is an ever increasing hostile environment for both buyers and sellers. I will help to do anything to bring down this gorilla.
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Anonymous replied on Feb 19, 2008
Just saw one of the SUBAT posts on the eBay boards. I was an OLASU organizer, strikes of 98 – 04, and I fully endorse this WeBay project of SUBAT. Is SUBAT chartered yet? I see Martin is here. Martin, any eBay legal threats against the site host yet?
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Sandra Kendall replied on Feb 19, 2008
Hi Subaters, eBay is testing a new listing format!! CHECK THIS OUT!
I just came from greedBay’s Seller Central Forum: and there are a couple of links and postings to a NEW LISTING FORMAT that is beginning to show up. Here’s the link to that post:
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID…
For the benefit of latecomers and those on dialup (like me) who might find the original thread now grown too unwieldy and daunting to follow and assimilate, here is a nutshell. No need to respond, just don’t miss what’s going on because you didn’t have time to plow thru the long thread for the important points.
IMPORTANT: THERE IS A ‘SEND US YOUR COMMENTS’ AT THE TOP IN THE EXAMPLE LISTING (LINK BELOW). IMO IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT AS MANY SELLERS WHO ARE ABLE TO ACCESS IT RESPOND.
Following institution of DSR’s, restrictions/suspensions, no-negatives feedback policy, and paypal 21-day hold, it now comes to light that eBay is testing a new listing format.
This new “improvement to the buyer experience” listing format WARNS buyers IN RED about DSR’s held by the seller that are considered (by ebay standards) substandard. In the example listing, the trigger is a 4.0 on shipping time.
Worse, the new format provides thumbnails and links to competing items being sold by other sellers.
The red warning is an effective suggestion to NOT buy from THIS seller, and the links provide a jumping-off-point to leave THIS listing and go view competing ones instead.
Here is a non-board-breaking link to the example listing (now ended) from the long thread:
link to listing
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I am not sure if the poster’s “link to listing” will work, so here’s the URL.
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID…
something else,huh?
Subat HAS to take off!Sandy
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Kat McCort replied on Feb 19, 2008
I would love to help in any way I can. I hope feebay goes down the tube
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Anonymous replied on Feb 19, 2008
Hi Sandy — and if you’re here, I consider you a SUBATer too! It’s appalling, isn’t it? Like a DANGER label, almost…this is what they’re threatening us with now. I saw that thread about it, and also this one
But worse, look at how the actual page looks! (Hopefully these will work as links. The Point site uses Textile in place of html, meaning links go in quotes followed by a colon.)
My suspicion is that these red-warning seller-punishments for “shipping” will eventually hinge far more on shipping costs than shipping speed, too. FeeBay has wanted to do that for years. They hate it when people try to lessen the FVFs by having an item start at a cheap, undervalued opening bid, but then have a shipping/handling charge that represents the substantial part of the item’s value, because of course then only PayPal gets a cut of the total. FeeBay loses out on taxing the shipping directly, which is the true reason they want us all to ship at (or below) cost: because they don’t get as direct a cut of those amounts. That’s the only reason, it’s certainly not any concern for buyers. FeeBay wants the money where they can tax it at a higher percentage than Paypal can (for now). And apparently, soon they plan to twist your arm in any way they can, nothing is forbidden, no insult too great for the sellers now.
It’s the on-line auction format itself that is really being chipped away here, of course, which is reflected in the look of the new listings, too. They want us out, so they can make their e-Wal-Mart and populate it with docile newbies who don’t know it was ever any other way. And with the other sellers’ competing products showing up right in your listing
-at the head, while the sale is on- it’s clear that the goal is simply to get buyers to spend, anywhere and everywhere, just so long as they make us sellers pay FeeBay more…and more…and more. ENOUGH! There is a real, pressing need for a WeBay now and it will only become more acute as this new insult unfolds. It makes you wonder what they’ll try next.
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Gerrit Rorye replied on Feb 19, 2008
Hopefully it will not take long to get webay going. Just became unemployed two weeks ago and want to ramp up my sales and item listing once again.
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Anonymous replied on Feb 19, 2008
hello jul gene here,OMG i followed your link to the sellers page and at the top of the listing was a number of thumbs for other sellers items,at first i thought they were other items by the same seller. So you pay to list an item but other sellers are advertised on your page for free??? advertised at you expense???,ive never seen anything like this. nutbay is completely out of control,the lunatics are running the asylum,nothing is beneath them at this point. This will only fan the coals of anger and make it even easier for us(THE SUBAT) to find members and supporters.LETS BRING THESE FOOLS TO THEIR KNEES!
POWER TO THE SUBAT
UNITY IS POWER
BUILD THE WEBAY,THE SOONER THE BETTER!
gene
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Anonymous replied on Feb 19, 2008
After 11 years eBay greed has finally taken me off the site. When I first joined item numbers were 5 digits long. The changes have been sickening. So glad to leave as soon as possible.
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Anonymous replied on Feb 20, 2008
Count me in. eBay user Id’s baewestover, bulletproofpacking, sciencefare
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Gregory Schotanus replied on Feb 20, 2008
I was asked to join the powersellers in the past, but declined.
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Anonymous replied on Feb 20, 2008
I am looking forward to getting actively involved and to join forces with others who have the same concerns and goals. Together we shall trumpet a STRONG VOICE..that will not go unheard. Thank You for the opportunity. Catie
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Anonymous replied on Feb 20, 2008
Gene — OMG I know, can you believe it?? That’s exactly how it struck me, we’re paying eBay this money in fees so they can advertise whatever on our page…we don’t even get the lousy listing page to ourselves anymore. Like that’s not going to drive down prices for everybody, when all the biggest powersellers’ generic stuff is showing up on our pages?! It’s like eBay is renting us out to big retailers, our sales become just another area they can sell ads in. !
But that’s not all..I just saw this listing , which doesn’t show the “danger label” but wait…let your cursor rest on one of those thumbnails for other people’s stuff and watch what happens. They all enlarge
- right there on your page! It’s as if buyers will have to run a gauntlet of competing products —which enlarge!!just to even see your item at all, the one the listing fee paid for. And they say they “lowered” listing fees…sure they did, because they’re worth nothing now to a regular seller. We ordinary sellers are just the vehicle now, the background noise on the retail-powersellers songs…like an annoying crackling sound, buyers should just ignore it.I’m so disgusted…I didn’t think I could be any more disgusted with eBay Inc. — but every few days they find a way to expand the imagination. I’d sooner chew off my own hand than pay them to list in a new-style page like that. Ebay is going to tank…if people wanted the mall full of generic new stuff they’re making they’d go to an actual mall and save the shipping or at least go to Amazon or something. YES, we need the WeBay bad!
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