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Aaron With Aug 1, 2008
Posted by Aaron With

  • “Let me just ask YOU one more thing – issue you a challenge – and see if you’ll respond. If this “discussion” is so needed, and so important, what are you thinking will come of it? Answer me directly, in as few sentences as possible…..HOW WILL THIS HELP THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT??”

    Perhaps it’s to raise money for AIDS? I’m not Aaron obviously but I think ultimately people are forgetting that Bono and the organizers here want essentially the same thing. We want to alleviate poverty. We want to see AIDS reduced in our lifetime. We want the cycle of Third World dependence on the West and aid organizations to come to an end.

    We’re all on the same page here, so it leaves me a bit confused to see the extreme “passion” emanating from people who are ultimately fighting for the same cause. Do you really care about poverty or do you just care about Bono? There’s no reason for this hostility.

    Aaron has made extremely valid criticisms of the RED campaign. This is a model of philanthropy that relies on corporations to donate through an advertising scheme that puts image ahead of the issue. Let’s not forget what we’re dealing with here: abject poverty and a disease that affects 33 million people. This is worth more effort than a PR campaign which (arguably) does as much to promote GAP as it does to stop AIDS.

    I understand how some people perceive this campaign as an attack on Bono. Believe me I have some reservations myself. I don’t care much for his music and it was sad for me to see the likes of Dido and Dizzee Rascal participate in a song that basically belittled “Africans” as some ubiquitous, ignorant mass (but that’s an aside). I still honestly do think he’s a good guy that cares about these causes. And I have respect for people who take his word for what it is, because I do think he’s being genuine.

    I’m also glad that any money is being given to AIDS, even if it’s through RED. I just think we can do better. I want to see this campaign succeed not because I care about what Bono does but because I’d like to see a lump sum being given to the Global Fund without corporate intervention. I want to see AIDS treated like what it is: a serious existential problem that affects millions of people every day, not as a marketing strategy.

    I think we can all agree on the main points of this debate. I think we all understand how grave the problems of AIDS and poverty are. The only thing we disagree about is the methodology in solving these problems. We should have this in mind when participating in this discussion, because we have more in common than not.

  • Mark, although you address only the originator of this campaign, your excited tone has urged me to respond to your question. Ultimately, the development of more effective and ethically responsible models of philanthropy to better serve sick and impoverished peoples is at stake within this dialogue, and this campaign. This is the reason why we should continue to talk/think/write about it. RED – which nestles philanthropy within the purchase of a brand new sweatshirt or iPod – lulls consumers into a higher level of self-satisfaction via capitalism…“I shop, therefore I am…saving the world” (please review Jake’s insightful comments above). Bono has opened himself to critique as a self-appointed representative of this cynical and, to my mind, destructive ideology.

    Why shy away from Aaron’s (in my humble opinion, clear) responses that are more than a few sentences long? Why buckle at pertinent criticisms? The discussion of these complex issues surely merits more than a few lines. A celebrity or company’s intention to “do good” does not immunize them from critique of their methods.

  • “…the development of more effective and ethically responsible models of philanthropy to better serve sick and impoverished peoples is at stake within this dialogue, and this campaign.”

    Seriously?

    How?

    I’m not shying away from more than two sentences – just discussion that is only for the sake of discussion…the end result being what? Please explain it to me. How does someone spending the time to arrange a media-grabbing, ultimately useless campaign to have Bono retire help the sick and impoverished?

    No one is answering my question. I am not here to defend Bono, or even necessarily the Red Campaign. Even though this whole campaign is to get Bono retire from public life. I mean, that was the whole point of this right? Then it is surprising that people defend him/what he stands for? Really?

    But alas, I am obliged to answer my own question as well. What does my involvement in this discussion do, other than to maybe expose the fact that this is ultimately pointless (ironic?) and exploitative? Well, not much. You people will continue to think that because you do a bit of research on the internet, you are the guardians of the truth and the bastions of “positive discussion”. Discussion that does what?

    Exactly. So with that….goodbye.

  • Just one last thing. Maybe next time focus on Tommy Lee. Or Chad Kroeger. Now those are two guys I’d love to see retire….regardless of how much they have done to champion the sick and impoverished.

    That was a joke there, see what I did.

  • The basics are this:

    1. We live in a consumer driven society. People who donate to charities often do so for the warm fuzzy feeling that they’ve done something right and for tax purposes.

    2. People don’t want to help prostitutes. I’m sorry but that is the truth. They don’t recognize them of victims of their environment. To the masses they are reaping what they sow. It may not be a compassionate way of thinking, but that is the nature of the world we live in. If you were to ask people to donate money to help save the life of sex trade workers you would have very few responses.

    3. The focus that the RED campaign has is effective because people see pregnant women and orphans as victims. The warm fuzzy feeling comes from helping victims. Otherwise we would buy sandwiches and give money to our neighbourhood prostitutes and crack addicts. Why doesn’t society do this? Because people with these issues are seen as a “problem.” A “problem” that most people want no part in correcting.

    4. Have you polled your friends and neighbours lately regarding their views on homeless people and prostitutes? How many of them actually feel sorry for them? How many of them think of them as a nuisance? I would say that the majority of people just ignore them. Very few of them actually realize that 80 -90 % of these people have untreated mental health problems (depression or otherwise).

    5. Your so-called campaign is negative. While you may think you’re exposing celebrities like Bono to the world, you are actually just dumping on people who legitimately want to help. Instead of finding faults in others, why don’t you do something positive?

    6. If you want to start a campaign maybe you should try doing something that will raise more money while actually fulfilling your strange need to bring down Bono. Why don’t you challenge Bono and all celebrities like him (Oprah, Angelina Jolie, etc.) to donate their own money. Think about how much money A-list actors make on hit movies. No one needs $15 million dollars. If people like that took a portion of what they make on a regular basis (not just when the cameras were rolling) than maybe a dent could be made in this horrific epidemic. There is enough negativity in the world without random philosophical bloggers who feel the need to do something unique in their spare time.

  • This is so ridiculous. Let me see if I have this straight….Bono stops his public life and all the RED campaign will disappear along with the issues related to it. Bonol quits and society will suddenly quit feeling like it needs the latest gadget (iPod or iPhone etc.) or like it needs another shirt or pair of pants or whatever, and will start giving all that money to worthy causes. I agree that RED is a pretty shit way to get money for AIDS relief I also think that society has a pretty shit way of looking after their neighbour! Sometimes you got take what you can get the way you can get it.
    Look if you want to start a cause that actually does something other than complain but rather helps those we are abstractly talking about I am all ears. If something illegal is being done by any NGO or campaign and money is not being delivered hey I am all ears. If Bono or any of his counterparts are somehow stopping aid from getting where it needs to go I am all ears. But if this is just a “I am so cool I can complain” thing let’s stop and do something real. Let’s find a better solution than RED, or ONE or____(fill in the blank) but until then let’s work with what we’ve got. Btw let’s not be naive and say “the better way is to get people to stop navel gazing and self-centered..RED (or whatever) only helps them” because while I agree that would be good and should be the way it works we all know it doesn’t.

    Hey Aaron I read about you on a web site called stuff white people like dot com. Okay not just Aaron, it’s all of us.

  • James Boyce

    Aaron:

    It might help if you had a fundamental understanding of how (RED) works and how they raise money.

    When you buy a (RED) ipod, money goes STRAIGHT to The Global Fund. Apple pays a fee to (RED) for the right to create a (RED) ipod but that’s it.

    Same with all the other partners.

    (RED) makes money to operate – pretty small group you might be interested in knowing – from the fees people pay it to create (RED) products.

    Now, the total so far of the proceeds from (RED) products is over $110,000,000 in under two years.

    This is more than the $1,128 you have gotten pledged in this campaign. Perhaps you should correct the title?

    One more thing: if Apple advertises the (RED) ipod, that’s their business, that’s Apple’s money, not (RED)’s money.

    By the way, The Global Fund is one of the best, if not the best group doing work in Africa so ‘other groups’ aren’t complaining about (RED) you are.

    For my money, any group that has helped raise over $110 million for AIDS in Africa in under 2 years – good thing not bad.

    Again $110 million is greater than $1,128.

    Cheers

  • James Boyce

    Aaron

    now that you have your answers,

    how about apologizing and taking this down?

    James

  • To James

    I understand how RED works, and that the percentage of proceeds from RED product sales that are designated to go to the Global Fund do go STRAIGHT there. Perhaps you are confusing what critics of RED are saying when we’ve talked about how it would be more effective for the RED companies to have donated directly to the Global Fund. That is because they’ve spent an estimated $100 million just to launch RED, and no one knows how much since. RED will not make these numbers public, despite multiple calls for transparency, probably because revealing these numbers will show just how ineffective the model is. So what critics of RED are saying is that if RED partner companies donated all the extra RED marketing expenses DIRECTLY to the Global Fund, then they’d have donated much much more toward fighting AIDS.

    You’ve argued, as RED VP of Marketing also argued in this discussion, that if Apple markets RED products, its Apple’s money and not RED’s. So its not a marketing expense and shouldn’t be factored into the equation. In my challenge to RED to reveal their number to the public, I stated that if they need to qualify the marketing expense #s by showing how much the RED partner companies previously spent on average for marketing, then they should. Indeed this would give us a much better sense of how effective RED is in raising money vs spending money on advertising. But RED will not share this information, and as I pointed out, since there was a $91 million increase in GAP’s marketing expenses coinciding with the year of RED’s launch, it seems clear that RED marketing is not the normal ongoing marketing operations but an added expense that must be viewed as cost and factored into RED’s overall fundraising numbers.

    As for RED’s numbers, if you had read the ongoing discussion previous to your post, you’d have seen the debate around the $110 million. Only $60 million has been generated from RED product sales. The remainder came from Bono’s celebrity art auction, which I stated is the kind of philanthropy Bono should be doing, because its a direct donation to the Global Fund, doesn’t require an enormous marketing expense to make it happen, and doesn’t tell people that buying sweatshop apparel is responsible consumption. As I stated previously: direct donations from millionaires have nothing to do with what the RED Campaign’s unique fundraising strategy. Why even label the money raised from this auction, if not to balance RED’s books and justify RED’s model in the eyes of its critics? Clearly, associating this auction with the RED Campaign was a PR maneuver designed to silence the critics who rightly pointed out that the marketing costs for RED have far outweighed the proceeds from RED sales.

    It’s true that $1,128 is not a lot of money. But James, you gotta give us a chance here. We’ve only had a couple of weeks to raise that money since I launched this thing! Not bad for such a short time I’d say! But seriously folks, even though $1,128 may not be a whole lot of money, it certainly is more than negative $40 million dollars, which is the number you get when you subtract RED’s $100M marketing expenses (according to available estimates) from $60M in proceeds generated from its product sales. And most likely RED’s numbers are actually much deeper in the whole since the $100M estimate was just around RED’s launch and does not include whatever additional marketing costs they’ve spent in the last 2 years. RED can end this debate with a comprehensive report disclosing the marketing expenses vs proceeds from sales, but they continue to avoid this. To me it seems clear why: such a report would reveal to the public that RED is nothing more than a marketing scheme by RED’s partners hoping to brand themselves as socially responsible, when some of them, especially the GAP, are clearly the opposite. To me this is an incredibly dangerous precedent because I think that to combat most of today’s environmental and social problems its going to take a great amount of consumer awareness and responsibility, and RED partner companies intentionally co-opt the responsible consumer sentiment in a misleading, inaccurate way in order to profit (see Jake’s comment and this article in the Stanford Social Innovation Review).

    To Tony & Dani & Mark

    Some part of each of your comments basically challenge this campaign for not doing anything positive to solve the problem, while at least Bono is trying to do something. Mark has insinuated that this kind of discussion is essentially worthless. I’d argue that a strategic vision for any movement is critical. Does a football team have a huddle and a playbook? Did the civil rights movement’s leaders sit down and have strategic discussions about when and where to employ what tactics and what would be most effective? You bet they did. Is an effective strategy towards solving major problems like AIDS, poverty, climate change, etc., important? You bet it is. What can be accomplished from this discussion? Well I’d hope that the people reading will take away new knowledge about what they can do as a consumer if they want to contribute towards sustainable solutions to the world’s problems, and that they’ll see that RED is not that solution. Hopefully they’ll consider direct donations when they’re thinking about philanthropic giving, and more importantly I hope they’ll put their money into businesses that are socially and environmentally sustainable as much as they can.

    It’s true that I’d be rather surprised if we actually raised enough to make Bono retire. That’s one expensive ego to buy out. And that’s ok…because even it doesn’t tip but members continue to join, this is a way for people to aggregate their discontent with RED’s model and make a statement. Maybe if by chance this ever gets back to Bono or other celebrities who are considering how they can use their position of influence to do good in the world, they’ll think about it and make better decisions next time instead of getting sucked into a corporate marketing ploy.

    It’s interesting how many RED defenders have made all sorts of assumptions about myself and the members of this campaign – generally that we’re not doing anything to confront the problems, we’re just negative-minded, esoteric, academic naval gazers. Perhaps I am an academic esoteric naval gazer & this is my one and only pathetic contribution to social justice in my entire life. Or perhaps I’ve contributed to social justice in a variety of ways I view as sustainable and effective, through conscious consuming, volunteering, participation in community action groups, etc., and one day I happened to spend a little bit of my time to write a campaign to raise awareness about the problems with RED, which you happened to notice because it got a lot of attention on the internet, probably because a lot of people are glad somebody is bringing these criticisms to light. You have no idea where I land on that spectrum and really it shouldn’t matter….all that matters here is determining if RED is viable or not.

    Tony, I do love that web site stuff white people like." They’re generally pretty dead on, and it’s pretty funny. Do you know what would make a great post on there… “Bono.” Here’s another one: “saving the world by buying GAP sweatshop clothes.” But even though I think that site is funny, I think it would be a mistake to react to it by feeling paralyzed about one’s ability to do good in the world and make responsible consumer decisions. If anything that site encourages us to analyze our own self-serving motives for doing “good things.” Indeed I think that’s the self-serving sentiment that RED appeals to in commercials like "this one , and really if the RED campaign isn’t the biggest self-serving scheme meant to further one’s own interests (RED partner companies) while pretending to be altruistic, then I don’t know what is.

    To Dani B

    I appreciate your input on the point of Bono’s decision to exclude charities that work with sex workers. I do agree with you that he meant probably it as a strategic decision to make RED more successful and that it doesn’t mean that Bono himself doesn’t have empathy towards sex workers with AIDS. While this line of criticism of the RED campaign is the least important one, I do still think it is important, and personally agree with the author of this article who points out that “The whole principle of the Global Fund was supposed to be that everyone would throw their money into a pot, and the resulting stew would get doled out to governments and others who had come up with good, solid plans for preventing HIV and caring for those infected…..But by deciding what is “saleable” and what isn’t in HIV care…..the corporates are undermining the wider fight against the epidemic.” It seems to me that Bono could have taken greater leadership here and stated that the Global Fund knows what its doing with the money, & that they’ll distribute it most effectively because they’re on the ground level. I really don’t see a lot of people even knowing that RED money went to sex-workers, much less deciding not to buy RED iPods because of it, and definitely not enough people to warrant making a move that undermines the founding purpose of the Global Fund.

    This is just another example of why the RED campaign is to me quite cynical. It assumes that consumers won’t donate to the Global Fund if any money will treat sex workers, even if that treatment a critical part of the fight against AIDS. It assumes that the only way to get people involved in the cause is by catching them at the GAP. Some would argue that’s just realism. I have higher expectations for consumers and hope that we can build better public awareness about the complexity of these issues so that consumers can contribute to effective solutions. I think there are historical and contemporary examples of effective movements driven by consumer awareness – divestment from apartheid-era South Africa, non-sweat clothing, organic and especially local foods – and believe that consumers have it in them to make a difference when they’re moved to act in effective ways.

  • Aaron:

    I’m sorry but I cannot concur with your thoughts given in your reply to me. I do not wish to argue or challenge you. The truth of the matter is that the majority of consumers don’t care. As I asked of you in my last note – how many of your friends and neighbours would be willing to give money to homeless people without getting something in return? The majority of our westernized world will not give something without getting something in return.

    Maybe you do think that the RED campaign is cynical…but who are you to challenge it? I’m sure that the people who received the medications appreciate it, even if they don’t know where it came from.

    I have worked in health care for over a decade and let me tell you something that I have learned through experience. Until you have held a person’s hand and been unable to help them whilst they die you don’t know the importance of good health. You don’t know the importance of early treatment.

    I understand what you are trying to do, but I think that it is genuinely misplaced assistance. I think it’s great that you are not standing idly by, but your way of assisting is misguided.

    People who are dying of AIDS do not care where assistance comes from. They just want to live. They want to wake up and not be sick. They want to be like everybody else. If you were dying would you care if your life-giving supporter was a hypocrite? I highly doubt it. You may think that you are helping, but you are not. Once you have sat vigil at somebody’s bedside for months at a time, helpless to save them, then you can tell the world how to raise money for dying people. Until then you are just a well-meaning person with a keyboard and a point to prove.

  • I admit that my last sentence was argumentative. I am just sick of people who don’t want to get their hands dirty dictating to the world how things should be. Although you may consider Bono to be guilty of this, there is no difference between the two of you. Actually there is a difference, he made more money. I don’t deny that there is a certain humanity in what you are doing. However, I will request an answer to this: What have you done PERSONALLY (without a computer or pen) to help the misfortunate lately?

  • Dani,

    It’s true that I haven’t held someone by their bedside as they die, but that doesn’t mean I can’t contribute to a discussion about the most effective way for consumers to contribute towards solving world problems.

    Although I appreciate you bringing your experiences in the health care field to this discussion, I don’t think its right to use that experience alone as a way to disprove arguments about whether RED is effective or not. Only reasoned, effective arguments can do that. It’s also not right to speak as if anyone in the health care field who shares similar experiences in your field would not be critical of the RED Campaign. Otherwise, The African Network for Strategic Communication in Health and Development , an association of HIV and AIDS, health and development communication practitioners who reside, work, or have a primary interest in Africa" would probably not have re-published "this article , which is critical of the RED campaign, and labeled it a “must read.”

    As emotional of an issue as this surely is for those who are personally affected by AIDS, let’s try to refrain from personal accusations and indictments in this forum. Instead, let’s stay clear headed and talk about the best way consumers can use their power to solve these problems. You’ve challenged me to tell everyone what I’ve done personally offline to help the less fortunate. I suppose I could put my resume up on this discussion forum to satisfy you, but I think that misses the point here and I don’t want to contribute to that kind approach in this forum. This space isn’t about impressing each other with who has helped the less fortunate the most. It’s a discussion for anyone who is interested, whether they’ve had a long and successful career in social justice or are just considering trying to do something good for the first time, about how we can use our power as consumers the right way.

  • I suppose if I had to summarize the two last posts that I have written into one simple reply it would be this: Your “faith in consumers” as you yourself described it in a previous post is of absolutely no benefit in real life.

    Your “gimmick” money making scheme is no different from RED. I honestly hope you make money for this cause because it is something that is close to my heart, but I don’t agree with you making money off of another person’s demise. It’s not morals or values you’re dealing with, it is life.

    I am sorry for my next statement, but it is this: You sound like a pot-smoking college student (or recent grad) who feels that after years of sociology and psychology classes that you can make a difference in the world. At no time did I ask for you to post your resume. All I asked is for you to be REALISTIC and understand the fact that the majority of our westernized society does not want to help people, without compensation.

    I asked for you to poll, not yourself but, “YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS” because they are the ones that will respond to your campaign positively or negatively.

  • In addition to my last response you are not starting a mere “discussion” as you refer to it. You are starting a campaign to change what you see is wrong in the world of charity work.

  • Let’s not assume that my responses are totally “emotional” for a moment. If you YOURSELF were dying would you honestly care where the money to give you life-sustaining vaccine came from.

    My heath care experience is merely a small point. I just want you to realize that if you accomplish your actual goal (of which possibility is obviously very slim) you will screw a great deal of people out of money that would potentially save their life. Do you have enough money to front those odds? Do you believe that society cares enough to save those they haven’t seen, when they won’t give a nod to those who are starving in their own neighbourhood? Do you feed them all?

  • Aaron, again I must say that if the problem is with RED then let’s make it about RED and not about Bono. My question is still unanswered, If Bono retires does it make RED (the seemingly real issue here) go away? The answer is no.

  • PS I agree with your view on the Stuff White People Like site. I also agree with your annoyance regarding the sentiment the RED campaign pushes.

  • Sometimes it amazes me that people get so fired up about things like this. Bono is a public figure, so he’s always going to take criticism. He can handle it, or at least he should be able to. On the other hand it’s great that people get really passionate about any issues of importance these days.

    I think we should keep in mind that what is at stake here is not Bono’s reputation… whatever we do, he’s still going to have his public platform and adoring public. What is at stake is much bigger than that, stated simply: how will rich consumer nations act in regard to countries that have been made victims of colonialism and economic exploitation?

    Many posters have said that the RED campaign is better than nothing. Perhaps it is. But is this really the best that we can accept? Of course we need to do more than just reform the system of corporate donation, but if focusing on one badly misguided, self serving effort at charity can open up a conversation on how be more effective in alleviating poverty, then we need to keep an open mind. It’s not enough to assume that Bono and Geldof are taking care of it, because they aren’t. And it’s OUR responsibility to point that out!

    P.S. some of the earlier posters seem to think that the money raised in this campaign is going to be used for something other than being sent to the Global Fund. It won’t and it can’t. That’s the way the point works. No one who pledges money will even pay it out, unless the campaign is successful.

  • Anonymous

    Dani B said, “I just want you to realize that if you accomplish your actual goal (of which possibility is obviously very slim) you will screw a great deal of people out of money that would potentially save their life.”

    The only way the goal would be achieved here, I’m sure, is if the pot of money grew so large that Bono looked at it and said, “woah, that’s more than I could possibly raise doing what I’m doing… if I don’t retire, I’m screwing people.”

    So, slim possibility of success, true.

    But if it is successful, it will only be because it’s screwing less people.

  • Thank you, whoever you are. When I am passionate about something I don’t always make the best of sense. Well done.